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promise so

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perhaps the best thing to do would be to

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for the first time publicly can recount

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your story from the time you were

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four off the first part I've been told

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by all the witnesses that

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we count my

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um we just finished working because it

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up the road

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and uh I think we looked off to the

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and I saw a glow that I thought was so

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sunset or something I was about to

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comment on

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we came past the thicket that we were

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looking through to where we could see

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more clearly and we saw a UFO hopping in

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the air about

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30 yards off to the side of the road

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everybody started

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yelling and

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they stopped the truck

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I uh I wanted to get a closer look and I

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got out of the truck and I started over

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there

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everyone was yelling that I should come

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back to stop

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from somebody called my name and I

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turned back around and it started to

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make a noise and started to move

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one step I I crouched down behind the

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alarm it was there

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and

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just as I started to raise up I was just

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going to stand up I didn't have any

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intention of going any closer but it was

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just as if I was struck I it was kind of

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a physical blow to

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It just knocked me back I don't remember

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seeing any flash of light or anything

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like what they described I just I just

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and I

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I would I was looking up at a light

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shining down on me from the ceiling

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I could tell I was leaning up on a bed

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or a table or something because the

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ceiling was close

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back hours in a lot of pain I I couldn't

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I couldn't quite bring myself

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totally awake what type of pain what

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parts of your body uh

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it was kind of like in my head but just

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all over it I can't describe it

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I I believed that I was in the hospital

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and I was I was looking up at the

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ceiling and I I didn't make any attempt

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to move because of

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the pain I was in

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but I I felt something Laying across my

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chest

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and I I looked down and it was a

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it was sort of a

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a flat thing that kind of curved across

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like that

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my I couldn't focus my eyes very well

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the the top edge of the I think it was

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laying across me and I saw

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two men

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leaning over me they were they were they

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they were a lot like men but they

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weren't quite human what they physically

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looked like

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they were

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they had kind of underdeveloped features

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and no hair

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of any kind

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and they were dressed in kind of a

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about how tall were they were

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slightly shorter than myself what type

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of clothing is it dressed it was sort of

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a loose cover off I I didn't see any

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buttons or anything like that

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being in so much pain and everything I I

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and uh knocked them back I could see

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that there was two on the right side and

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and one on the left

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jumped into the corner did you actually

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strike them did you actually touch them

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when you flashed that yes I did I kind

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of hit these two with the back of my arm

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they fell back really easily I feel like

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hitting a person would yes

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they seem light like they weren't heavy

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I I couldn't stand up very well I

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leaned against there was a bench across

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the back wall I said the back wall I

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mean there was only one door

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and I grabbed a

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two a clear piece of glass or something

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and I I tried to break off the end to

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get something sharp to defend myself

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with but they didn't try to approach

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they just kind of put out their hands

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I I was leaning I couldn't stand up very

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I was breathing very heavily

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on they just they didn't try to approach

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or or anything they just left they just

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ran out real fast

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and I was alone there for

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for several minutes and I I couldn't

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catch my breath it's very hot

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and so I I left they'd gone there was a

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corridor outside and they went to the

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right and I went to the left and went

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through the door you know there was no

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door it was just a whole doorway an

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went it curved to the right

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there was another door with no doorway

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it was just the whole and

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I went into a room there and had chewed

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on very far and very far distance at

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that point it was only about 30 feet or

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40 feet I don't know

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not very far

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no not not even that far

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I don't remember it was very narrow

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cordless it was definitely lit

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everywhere

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I went into this room that you could see

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out it was it was

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you could even see the stars back

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okay it was I could still see that that

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there was walls but I could see the

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stars at the same time and it didn't

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look like Windows no

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like that

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because there was nothing in the room

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but a chair with some

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controls and knobs and things

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I was there when I was frantic and I I

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won just

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moved around there for a while and I am

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started fooling with the

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buttons there did you sat in the chair

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and I did later at first I just touched

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I didn't think I should be I was afraid

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I'd mess something up and somebody would

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come

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turned around and it was a man just just

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like people I mean

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maybe it wasn't like the other

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creatures or whatever at all he he

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looked just like you and I except he had

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a helmet on a sort of a clear helmet

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that they've got hair and everything

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over there and he wouldn't he wouldn't

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answer me he just took me by the arm and

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wanted me to go with him I thought he

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maybe he can't hear me through the

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helmet

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so we went out to the door

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down to the right and and out to the

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left

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it was a there was a small room there it

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had doors on it and it was

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it was kind of like an airlock and it

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was just a small room with nothing in it

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and then there was a door that went

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outside and

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um I think it was a ramp that went down

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and it was cool out outside it was

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you know I could feel wind it was there

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was a draft or something it was a large

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room at this thing was

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oh setting on the floor

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in there and uh

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it was it was shaped like like the the

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drawing that

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they made like the things I saw the

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first time only when we bigger and it

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was there was two other things and then

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the other UFO looking things look like

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flying saucers kind of except they were

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grounded an oval shape in there and

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really shining like

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it was a it was a big room like there

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was a lot more room in there and it was

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a it was a curved ceiling and it curved

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this way and it had a flat

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hands to the room

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I came out of the door out of that first

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ship facing this way and there was a

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doorway across

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the in in the far wall

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he's led me across there

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and and threw that doorway down a

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hallway

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to a room in and

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there I'd had a burning in my chest and

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it was it was starting

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I I felt better I I

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was trying to get this this man to tell

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me what what you know I asked him if he

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was from Earth and just anything I could

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think of in and he wouldn't answer it

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was the expressionless to the ebony

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expression no he looked friendly and he

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kind of he gestured and and smiled but I

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there was no words

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in this place that you were in could you

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see out at all

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no there was no way out there

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so you were going from actually from one

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ship to another was that essentially

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this must have been inside of the larger

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building or ship I don't know if it was

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a large ship or a building okay there's

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no way I never felt any motion or

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anything

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it was just like being in a large

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building all the time and everything's

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was led down the hallway the man

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sat me in a chair

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and in a room with three other people

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that were like himself they were dressed

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in blue

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he went out there was a door on the

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other side and he went on through

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the people to talk to me that were there

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and they didn't have things on their

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head and and so I thought that maybe

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they could hear me but they they

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wouldn't answer either

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I was two men and a woman in the room

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after the first man left

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a man and a woman came from around the

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table and they each took me by the arm

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they led me over to the table

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they they put a

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a deal over my face it was kind of like

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an oxygen mask thing it was kind of

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clear plastic and it had a

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around black thing on it about that big

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just attached to it and

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I looked up at the ceiling which was

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just it was all solid light there wasn't

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any light fixture or anything but like

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in the room just coming from the ceiling

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and that was last I remembered I I went

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to sleep until

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I woke up I was laying on the pavement

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it was very cold I woke up very suddenly

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I looked up up the roadway I was laying

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outside it was night and I could see a

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light

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on the bottom of a of a flying saucer

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that looked

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just like the rounded ones that were

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inside there

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and uh

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it was very shiny but the only light

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came out of the bottom but then that

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went off and it just went straight up

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really fast just

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what were your feelings at that point

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were you still in pain

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did you know where you were

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I didn't know where I was immediately

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but

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I recognized the roadway

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and I could see a light down the hills

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where I ran down that way

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and

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it was about a mile

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or have a half a mile to Heber and

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down to the phone boats

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with that is by the gas station there

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and I called

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my brother-in-law

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and

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I don't know what I said I was

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he answered and said

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who is this and I tried to tell him and

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he said I think you got the wrong number

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and he started to hang up and

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I was screamed at him that you know it

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was me and so he said he stopped and he

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he said

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oh okay I'll get somebody here to to

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come and get you

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and I hung up and I just couldn't stand

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up anymore and I

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just sat down there doing physical pain

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no not not at the time I I didn't feel

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any more pain I just was so weak I

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couldn't stand up I was

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and I didn't I've been able to make any

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purpose out of that or anything but

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we'll be joined by Jim Lorenzen of Ariel

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phenomena research organization after

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these messages

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we've been joined Now by Jim Lorenzen

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who is the director of apro the aerial

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phenomena research research organization

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Jim

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before we get to you I think there's one

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question that uh I would like to pose to

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Travis and it's the question that's been

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bothering a lot of people

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Travis why did you why didn't you bring

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your story to the media

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well they

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my family uh

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uh told me about the news people and all

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the people that were crowding around and

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I was just in no condition to to talk to

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anybody especially you know

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I'm all of people like that I just I

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just couldn't handle it

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is that typical gym in Kansas we live in

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some cases yes I could I can vouch for

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what he said because uh when I saw it

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first saw Travis he was in a very

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unsettled state

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and uh

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he was really in no position to defend

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questions or to respond

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you have listened to the description

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that he gave us of his ordeal what are

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your comments your reactions in

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comparison with past cases well I was

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struck by the fact that he described

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these beings that didn't look quite

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human he described them precisely the

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way another

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person who's describing who had a

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similar experience now this case has not

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been published anywhere and no case like

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it I know have been it's been part of it

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so it's something that Travis could not

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have read anywhere

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and this the descriptions are identical

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there was some apparent

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conflict between different organizations

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UFO organizations over Travis's story

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why are you defending it and why did the

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others seemingly discounted

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well some people get concerned about

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their image and they get they don't

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realize that this subject has many

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facets to it that that can be

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well embarrassing in the sense that

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public acceptance is lacking the story

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seem

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s uninitiated pretty wild I think is the

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fact that we our organization has now

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going on 24 years experience I made us

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able to cope with this in a much more uh

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thing and realistic manner than people

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without that kind of experience

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could you tell us what kind of testing

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that Travis has undergone what the

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results were of that and what the plans

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are for the future well I can do this

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generally we have him checked by a

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couple of MDS and they they ran some

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tests I don't have all the results but I

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can say this that uh

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that there was a urine analysis done on

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the first urine sample after the

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incident and this completely does away

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with the idea that there was any drug

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involvement that some people brought up

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uh that and the blood sample is really

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straighten that out there's there's none

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of that involved uh and uh

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interviewed at Great and great depths by

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some very well respected

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uh

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and they have concluded that he is not a

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that he's telling the truth

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foreign witnesses to the Armenia calling

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experts like this to interview Witnesses

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of course we call them in because we

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feel they're qualified to make those

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judgments and uh I have no trouble

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accepting those judgments at all

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particularly as I mentioned since parts

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of the story really correspond with

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cases that we know of already was this

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under aggressive hypnosis now regressive

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hypnosis has been performed by still

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another man in the practice performed by

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Dr Jim harder of

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Berkeley University of California at

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Berkeley and he's our research director

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and he is a real specialist in this sort

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of work

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and has been involved in quite a few

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other cases

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under the regressive hypnosis he relived

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this thing just essentially as you saw

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here probably with a little more detail

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what other kind of tests would he be

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going through in the future well you see

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we're really sort of past the testing

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stage in a sense in other words uh from

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now on I think you'd more you'd be more

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likely to call it research we hope to

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um

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have this memory the blocked memory

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relieved so that we can get a full

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account of what happened

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this this may take time and there may be

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a program delay that we just have to

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wait for it'll just depend on how how he

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feels as time goes by why not the

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polygraph test this has been a major

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criticism all right because uh a lot of

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people have criticized it because I

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think polygraph is a lie detector

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because it's called that but it's not

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and Travis was under that impression too

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he was anxious to take the lie detector

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a polygraph test

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uh I advise them not to and several

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other people advise him not to because

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what it actually measures is stress

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and questions about stressful memories

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would bring stress reactions just as

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well as anything else so it would have

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been meaningless to have him take that

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test at the time it could have been in

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fact

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one of the psychiatrists said it would

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have been a disaster for him to take it

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at the time it would have treated a lot

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of false Impressions how would you

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explain the the other six Witnesses

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taking a test and having passed it then

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well their their memory is of course are

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not blocked

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they remember what happened it wasn't

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the same sort of stressful situation

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that Travis has obviously gone through

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what would you like for your future what

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would you like to

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have come of this

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just

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acceptance of myself in the future I

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have had a lot of offers that of people

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trying to turn it into some kind of a

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profitable thing but I have no interest

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in any of those kind of offers I just

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want the truth to be known I

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right well I have intentions to

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cooperate with research with the

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reputable men that are you know

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genuinely

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scientifically interested

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uh like women with Apple

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and

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big you know project like that

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yeah I think we've talked about this to

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the seven Travis doesn't want to make a

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big deal out of it he just wants to

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quietly find out what went on in that

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period if it's possible if it'll help

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Advance the state of knowledge on this

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subject do you wish it had never

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happened to you